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Antagonist level[]

Makes sense, but as the tertiary antagonist.

This makes sense. He does have a boss and leader, who is just as evil as Palpatine. But could you please add a picture of him as a Sith Lord, Dixa44? This would improve the article.

However, Supreme Leader Snoke is the new leader of the First Order and the Galactic Empire, which suggests he is also the boss of Kylo Ren & General Hux. This makes Kylo Ren the tertiary antagonist.

By Misry6. 13:11, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Disney Antagonist
Kylo Ren is a Disney antagonist. Star Wars is part of Disney now, remember guys?
By Misry6. 20:04, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
Kylo Ren is the tertiary antagonist not the secondary never edit this page or ever contribute this wikia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyasarenata (talkcontribs) 17:05, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
I said to you that Kylo Ren is the main antagonist not the secondary ok he is a Disney villain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyasarenata (talkcontribs) 17:16, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
oh I forget that he is supposed to be the main he is the tertiary not the secondary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyasarenata (talkcontribs) 17:17, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

As I stated here, none of you have seen the movie yet, but you're all so convinced you know everything about this character that you've started fighting over what kind of antagonist this character is. Do any of you see how pointless this is? —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 18:16, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

I was wrong.[]

It's not so pointless after all. Hux is the villain because of his lies to the First Order, kidnapping of babies into Stormtroopers, brainwashing to Snoke, and more. 

By Misry6.

Hello everyone. It has come to my attention that people are vandalizing this page due to antagonism levels. This is not the right thing to do, and it is absolutely no less than ruining a page's value and info. I'm asking nicely, these arguments must be kept on the talk page, but do not edit war on antagonism levels, as we use our origional and reliable source, here on antagonists wiki. Thankyou. HuxRen123 (talk) 05:56, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

Is that true?[]

Does Kylo Ren really fight another apprentice in the woods, and fight Rey in the desert? I think that this is from a fan-made trailer since no official trailers have been released as far as I know, but it could happen in the film.

By Misry6.

Antagonist level resolvement[]

Is Kylo Ren the main, secondary and tertiary antagonist? Lets resolve this problem by looking closer at his aspects. I noticed you are all changing Kylo Ren, Hux and Snoke just because of their antagonism. It is not always a good idea, unless you have the right basics to stand upon.

Kylo Ren appeared the most[]

Kylo Ren had the most screen time (15 minutes), with Hux being second most (5 minutes) and Snoke being third most (1 minute). However, only Hux and Kylo Ren have enough screen time to do any damage, which influences the film directly.

So meanwhile we have these results:


Hux (3+ points/second place)

Kylo Ren (6+ points/first place)

Snoke (0 points/third place)


Appearence isn't of course what judges antagonism levels, but it can boost his actions to be more damaging and mischeivous.


Hux was the closest to act like one big "villain"[]

He was surely the true main villain, with no doubt, because he had no remorse on acting to destroy a hundered billion lives. He was even the conspirator which the film itself pointed it's fingure at, hoping to stop him at the end. Finally, who kidnapped these Stormtroopers? Hux said: "My men are exeptionally trained, programmed from birth", as they were Finn was proven to be a kidnapped Stormtrooper as well. Finally, we get to Kylo Ren and Snoke. Kylo Ren is more of a tragic dark-knight, due to recieving orders from Hux (whom he also argues with) and Snoke. However, in the film, he takes nothing more than a role of stalking traitors, as he even has remorse on Rey, which he thinks he can relieve her from the light. Kylo Ren was corrupted by Snoke, who took a more important role later on, becoming the true secondary antagonist. Snoke functions as the supreme ruler with his final decisions, and is not as active as Hux, but is far more destructive than Kylo Ren, and is secretly active by using some of his dark powers, which influence his thoughts. Kylo Ren however might function as the secondary antagonist at the beginning of the film, and long before Snoke's introduction. Kylo is really more active than Snoke until the scene where Snoke, Hux and Kylo Ren meet.


So now we have this:


Hux (18+ points/23 points/first place)

Kylo Ren (10+ points/16 points/second place

Snoke (8+ points/8 points/third place)


Importance[]

Hux is surely the most important villain, due to the damage he had done, and also due to it's influence on the storyline, the enviroment and the characters. Kylo Ren in however, in this case, has no more importance than a supporting antagonist. He only serves as a dark knight, under the command of Hux, and most importantly, Snoke. Snoke is the supreme leader and the one to corrupt Kylo Ren and be above Hux's rank, so basically, Snoke is once again second place.


So once again, what are the final results?...


Hux: 37/+14 Points (First Place!!! Winner!!!)

Kylo Ren: 20/+4 points (second place)

Snoke: 15/+7 points (third place)


Solution[]

the conclusion is that the one who wins the most points, is truely a bigger threat, due to his role being counted here. As you see, Hux is the main antagonist, due to his villainous role being bigger than anyone else. I would like further discussions about Snoke and Kylo Ren, before we finally edit them and place them on view source mode. Thanks very much. HuxRen123 (talk) 05:48, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Are you saying that Snoke is secondary or tertiary?[]

Why are you saying that Snoke is the secondary antagonist when your list says that he is tertiary? I don't understand, so please explain more detail about that. 

If you say that Snoke is tertiary, I won't vandalize, even though I don't agree with that. I promise. Misry6 (talk) 11:40 P.M., Thursday, December 22nd, 2016 A.D. (UTC)

I thought, and Snoke is really the true secondary antagonist, afterall[]

If Kylo Ren gets motivated and trained by Snoke, and they are both equally a threat, then Snoke is the true secondary antagonist, and Kylo Ren is the tertiary antagonist of the film. However, Kylo Ren was more active throughout the film, making him more visible and infamous. For that, I say Kylo Ren one of the secondary antagonists, however, I would leave Snoke as the true secondary antagonist, for managing The First Order together with Hux.HuxRen123 (talk) 10:58, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Final decision[]

I made my final edit as I put Kylo Ren the secondary antagonist, and Snoke as one of the main antagonists (after Hux who is the main antagonist). Thankyou. HuxRen123 (talk) 07:36, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hux is still the main villain.[]

This is why Hux is still the main villain:

  1. Personality: Snoke is a very mysterious being, and little is known about his personality, but he was evil; however, Hux was proven to be chaotically evil. If Snoke was less evil than Hux, and Hux was chaotically evil, then how can they both be the main villains? This doesn't make any sense.
  2. Abduction: Snoke did seduce Ben Solo to the dark side, but for unknown reasons. Hux, on the other hand, kidnapped Stormtroopers when they were babies, and seduced them to the dark side by force, proven by what he said: "My men are exceptionally trained, programmed from birth!" Snoke didn't do that to Kylo, so he doesn't show as much cruelty. Also, Hux kidnapped thousands of children; Snoke only kidnapped Ben Solo as a child.
  3. Lying: Hux even lied to the First Order that the New Republic and Resistance were evil. We never heard Snoke lie, not even once.
  4. Manipulation: We also saw Snoke giving Hux green lights on his evil scheme because he is being manipulated by Hux, but we never saw Snoke manipulating Hux.

If you want, you can look back at your latest comment on the General Armitage Hux page. If Hux is more evil than Snoke, then Snoke cannot be one of the main antagonists; he must be secondary, and if he's worse than Kylo Ren, Kylo cannot be the secondary antagonist; he must be tertiary. Thank you.

Misry6 (talk) 08:35, Tuesday, December 27th, 2016 A.D. (UTC)

Correction for point #2: seducing someone is presenting ideas or emotions that make a person want to change their mind. Stormtroopers aren't seduced. The training and programming is forcing them to think in a specific way that is not voluntary. —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 05:10, December 28, 2016 (UTC)

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