Antagonist level[]
It makes it more likely that Hux is the secondary antagonist, but I have to agree that he is worse than Kylo Ren. He does have a master, named Supreme Leader Snoke.
By Misry6. 20:07, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
- No no no! he is the secondary antagonist ok and never ever edit this page ever again!
- Please Misry6 can you edit everything true.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyasarenata (talk • contribs) 17:02, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Wrong, he is main antagonist
- I understand ranks in this film, but if you read bios, Hux is a warlord, and a possible start for the war, as he is much more dangerous and evil than other villains. I say: Hux is the villain, not Snoke, and not his other henchmen Kylo Ren. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dixa44 (talk • contribs) 17:09, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No Hux is not the main villain
- Hux is not the main villain the main villain is Snoke ok you don't know anything about Star Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinyasarenata (talk • contribs) 17:13, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
As I stated here, none of you have seen the movie yet, but you're all so convinced you know everything about this character that you've started fighting over what kind of antagonist this character is. Do any of you see how pointless this is? —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 18:16, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Movie's been released, we know the facts[]
Changed my mind. After finding out that henchmen can be worse than bosses, I finally believe that Hux is the true main villain of the film. He brainwashed Snoke, lied to the First Order, kidnapped children from birth and converted them into Stormtroopers, and many more and far worse crimes that we don't know about. I know Star Wars. Finally. Armitage Hux is the main antagonist of the film.
No. Kylo Ren is the antagonist because Hux and Snoke combined have less screen time than him, even though they committed worse acts. Wolverine-Man (talk) 20:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
Do not vandalize origional and reliable work.[]
This page is based on 100% reliable and origional truth, and is taken from no other wikia site, but from many others. Please keep it as it was, and don't change Hux to secondary, tertiary, primary, i don't know antagonist. Thankyou. HuxRen123 (talk) 06:02, October 16, 2016 (UTC)
Noticed an Easter Egg about Hux's speech[]
While watching the movie one time, I found something very intriguing. After Hux's speech, and when Starkiller Base fires its laser beam, all of the admirals behind Hux are bowing down their heads for the death of billions, sad. Hux is the only one that is smiling, which is very sadistic.
By Misry6 (talk) October 17, 2016, 14:00 (UTC)
Didn't notice that. And I don't think Hux was smiling. He kinda had a blank stare. I agree he is very sadistic, but he is not the antagonist of the movie just because of his actions. He and Snoke conbined have less screen time than Kylo Ren, which makes him the antagonist.Wolverine-Man (talk) 19:30, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
I allow you to believe that, but I can't put up with changing original and reliable work. Remember what HuxRen123 said?Misry6 (talk) 08:19, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I remember what he said and I won't vandalize any page again.Wolverine-Man (talk) 17:00, November 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Misry6 (talk) 06:51, November 10, 2016 A.D. (UTC)
Role in Episode VIII[]
Here's what I think would be his role in the 8th film, HuxRen123. I think that he will return, but as the secondary antagonist.
- He was seen having yet another conversation with Snoke, but in his physical form, with Von and Kylo Ren behind the Supreme Leader. Being mind-controlled by Von, Snoke puts Hux into the position of commanding the Ralltiir system, which the First Order converted to the Death Solar System.
- At the Death Solar System, Hux introduced his new TIE Fighter to the Stormtroopers, which is a First Order TIE Advanced x1, and commanded Snoke to fire the Death Solar System's death beam, which is on Sirius A., the center of the Death Solar System, on their first target for the demonstration of the weapon: our solar system, and our Earth with it; there were 4 other systems that were targets as well. In fear, Snoke fires the weapon at the 5 solar systems, including ours, and Earth and all its inhabitants are destroyed.
- After that, Hux creates a speech, saying that no one will ever mess with him ever again. He then used a massive army to attack Resistance property, thus launching dangerous TIE fighters from the Finalizer, including him inside his own. He reaches the Resistance Base with the other TIE pilots, but they are quickly defeated, and Hux is the only survivor.
- Defeated, he sees a furious Snoke, wielding his crimson lightsaber. Snoke then accuses him of forcing him to build Starkiller Base, fire the Death Solar System, and far more crimes. Von then suggests that Hux be tortured, to which Snoke disagrees with, and decides that Hux should be killed instead. Then, Hux reveals that he used Snoke to give him green lights on his evil scheme, and mentions Darth Jar-Jar Binks as his guidance. This starts Snoke to slowly turn to the Light, because Darth Jar-Jar is his own master. Hux then reveals his true form: same as a human, but with orange-shaped eyes with fire in the background, and diamond-shaped pupils. Snoke then strikes him dead where he stood because of Hux's actions, and gives Von the power to command the Death Solar System.
Misry6 (talk) 23:20, November 16, 2016 A.D. (UTC)
I'm afraid that Hux is the main antagonist once again, standing along with Kylo Ren this time (who is also the main villain) and becoming far worse than Snoke. It is revealed that Kylo Ren betrays Snoke for Rey and then takes over The First Order with Hux, as they will both become supreme leaders (in their own way). You can also call Kylo Ren this time the true main villain, though it is not relevant because Hux had more screen time, and took place as the main antagonist throughout most of the film.
Rexluthorl (talk) 15:41, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
Antagonist level resolvement[]
Is General Armitage Hux the main, secondary and tertiary antagonist? Lets resolve this problem by looking closer at his aspects. I noticed you are all changing Kylo Ren, Hux and Snoke just because of their antagonism. It is not always a good idea, unless you have the right basics to stand upon.
Kylo Ren appeared the most[]
Kylo Ren had the most screen time (15 minutes), with Hux being second most (5 minutes) and Snoke being third most (1 minute). However, only Hux and Kylo Ren have enough screen time to do any damage, which influences the film directly.
So meanwhile we have these results:
- Hux (3+ points/second place)
- Kylo Ren (6+ points/first place)
- Snoke (0 points/third place)
Appearence isn't of course what judges antagonism levels, but it can boost his actions to be more damaging and mischeivous.
Hux was the closest to act like one big "villain"[]
He was surely the true main villain, with no doubt, because he had no remorse on acting to destroy a hundered billion lives. He was even the conspirator which the film itself pointed it's fingure at, hoping to stop him at the end. Finally, who kidnapped these Stormtroopers? Hux said: "My men are exeptionally trained, programmed from birth", as they were Finn was proven to be a kidnapped Stormtrooper as well. Finally, we get to Kylo Ren and Snoke. Kylo Ren is more of a tragic dark-knight, due to recieving orders from Hux (whom he also argues with) and Snoke. However, in the film, he takes nothing more than a role of stalking traitors, as he even has remorse on Rey, which he thinks he can relieve her from the light. Kylo Ren was corrupted by Snoke, who took a more important role later on, becoming the true secondary antagonist. Snoke functions as the supreme ruler with his final decisions, and is not as active as Hux, but is far more destructive than Kylo Ren, and is secretly active by using some of his dark powers, which influence his thoughts. Kylo Ren however might function as the secondary antagonist at the beginning of the film, and long before Snoke's introduction. Kylo is really more active than Snoke until the scene where Snoke, Hux and Kylo Ren meet.
Importance[]
Hux is surely the most important villain, due to the damage he had done, and also due to it's influence on the storyline, the enviroment and the characters. Kylo Ren in however, in this case, has no more importance than a supporting antagonist. He only serves as a dark knight, under the command of Hux, and most importantly, Snoke. Snoke is the supreme leader and the one to corrupt Kylo Ren and be above Hux's rank, so basically, Snoke is once again second place.
So once again, what are the final results?...
- Hux: 37/+14 Points (First Place!!! Winner!!!)
- Kylo Ren: 20/+4 points (second place)
- Snoke: 15/+7 points (third place)
Solution[]
the conclusion is that the one who wins the most points, is truely a bigger threat, due to his role being counted here. As you see, Hux is the main antagonist, due to his villainous role being bigger than anyone else. I would like further discussions about Snoke and Kylo Ren, before we finally edit them and place them on view source mode. Thanks very much. HuxRen123 (talk) 06:11, December 10, 2016 (UTC)
I still haven't watched the film yet even though I own it on DVD :( but please remember guys, the main antagonist is the primary enemy/conflict of the plot. Example: There are two villains: John and Robert (random names). John is Robert's boss and sends him to kill the heroes but the entire film they're facing Robert and never interact with John. Not even in the end. The ending is spent defeating Robert. Robert is the main antagonist. John is the true main villain but the main antagonist is Robert. Understand? :) Tysonjackson (talk) 06:39, December 10, 2016 (UTC)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi[]
I just found out that the official title for the 8th film is Star Wars: The Last Jedi, right here: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/23/14357700/star-wars-episode-8-the-last-jedi-title-announced
This is information for anyone, including HuxRen123, thank you. It needs to be added to this page.
Misry6 (talk) 09:35 A.M., Tuesday, January 24th, 2016 A.D. (UTC)
The article seriously needs to be unprotected[]
I am going to watch The Last Jedi very soon, and therefore, I need this page to be unprotected. This means that all users should not be edit waring and/or "copycating" The Villains Wiki without even analyzing the film's true events. Thankyou.
Nyctomite (talk) 15:49, December 13, 2017 (UTC)
- The page will need to be unprotected, but only after the movie has been released. You have a history of twisting characters to make them more evil than they really are. There's examples here like what you wrote for Mayor Lionheart before Zootopia was released, but I will point to your "The Great Villains Wiki" that you advertised as "A new, reliable wiki for villains".
- On the page for Anton Ego, you added several false statements. Ego did not send a minion to spy on the restaurant, did not secretly invite the health inspector to close the restaurant nor give him any info about it, did not tell the waiter that he called the health inspector so the restaurant would be closed, and it wasn't Remy that the challenge of "hit me with his best shot" was directed at.
- Some of the edit warring you are trying to warn against might come as a result of your own edits if you attempt to twist what Hux does in The Last Jedi and others attempt to bring it back in line with what really does happen in the movie. I will deal with that if it happens and will look at unprotecting the page next week. —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 14:35, December 14, 2017 (UTC)
Hux's role in The Last Jedi[]
I have just seen the movie a couple of days ago, and it seems that in this spesific film both Hux and Kylo Ren are the main villains, and that Snoke is just the secondary antagonist. These are the villains, and Von is actually called DJ and is rather a minor villain. Kylo Ren betrays Snoke to save Rey and offers her to build with him a new order. Hux is even suprised whenrealizing that Kylo Ren is no longer under his influence. The two, Hux and Ren, team up as supreme leaders to continue what Snoke has started. The two also have different intentions (Hux wants to end The Resistance, while Ren wants to seek revenge on Luke Skywalker)
For more visit the pages of Hux, Kylo Ren and Snoke on Wickedpedia, The Great Villains Wiki and Movie Villains Wiki. Kind regards to everyone.
Rexluthorl (talk) 15:48, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the information.
Nyctomite (talk) 15:57, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
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