Thread:Jayden Jean-Baptiste/@comment-29915280-20161105142934/@comment-29486012-20170109154345

DocColress wrote: Alright, this is just pathetic.

It's not "TV Tropes' standards" that he's been arguing, it's common sense. If there's something in a work keeping a villain from being as horrible as they could possibly be given what they have to work with, then the villain's not a Monster. And if there's something seriously and unquestionably mitigating the villain's awfulness and their villainy, then the villain's not a COMPLETE Monster. If Nero's got no personal crimes to his name despite his position of great power, he doesn't qualify. And if Skull Face's villainy is mitigated by his backstory and some amount of altruism in his motivations, then he doesn't qualify either. It's that simple.

As for your behavior: vowing to keep harrassing someone until they cater to your preferred course of action and you get your way, demanding you not be ignored like a bratty child wanting attention, and calling anyone who has a different opinion on a villain you hate than you do "a delusional idiot"  makes you IMPOSSIBLE to take seriously. You have no credibility here, you have not learned one damn thing after all this time, and you just do not get the CM trope not just by TV Tropes standard but by any logical standard. This tropes is for villains who very credibly and convincingly hit off specfic criteria and fit into a certain mold of being the worst of the worst that the work has to offer - it's not for your Villainous Scrappies. I'm fully aware of that, the user I've been arguing with is a TV Tropes fanatic that believes that if a character isn't approved on TV tropes, then they shouldn't be listed anywhere, which as you can imagine, caused no shortage of heated debates. And Nero does have personal crimes, most notably being responsible for the burning of Rome (Incidentally there's evidence that the real life Nero wasn't responsible for this event, but that's not the case here) and ordering Ben's public crucifixion in a sick re-enactment of Jesus' execution. Coupled with approving the majority of Nihilus' crimes, he's just as bad if not worse than Nihilus. As for Skull Face, his crimes are worse than any Freudian Excuse would justify, and it's debatable if he's motivated my altruism or simply resentment, if it's the later that's not mitigating in the least.